uplandsandpiper
2/6/2018 7:18:58 AMPike are invasive and have caused the extinction and destruction of fisheries around the world. The science is clear. I agree there is no stoppin them but there is no doubt they will harm salmonid populations in the Columbia River system. https://www.fisheriesireland.ie/documents/1395-pikeimpact-internationalreview/file.html
Fish-N-Fool
2/6/2018 8:33:33 PM I disagree, there has been Pike in lake CDA in Idaho for many years and the Trout and Salmon populations are as good as ever. If you call a Pike an invasive species you would have to include the Smallmouth Bass, Largemouth Bass, Brown Trout, Brook Trout, Lake Trout, Walleye, Crappie , Sunfish and Perch in that same boat. Don't believe what F&G has to say as they have repeatedly lied to serve their own agenda. Learn the facts for yourself and don't buy into the bull F&G are serving up.
Geno the Viking
2/7/2018 10:03:48 PMNorthern Pike are one of the most impressive game fish out there. Catching a big pike in cold waters can be ones greatest thrills as an angler. Its only been a generation since the WDFW was spending millions of dollars trying to eradicate Bass form our local lakes and replacing them with 8 inch trout. I would love to be able to fish for Northern Pike and even better, Muskies in our Washington lakes.
harleypiker
2/7/2018 10:46:20 PMBravo, Rick. We need to continue telling the truth even though its not politically correct. I grew up in Minn. and they manage their lakes for several fish species in each lake. Its worked for about 80 years. They match their management to the specific habitat of each lake. I never heard of them using rotenone. They don't kill fish, they enjoy them!
dgarrett
2/8/2018 1:35:35 PMTo the author: WDFW is not hiding results from you. Everything that has been done in Box Canyon is available on a website https://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/esox_lucius/ What's more, I'm surprised you think Northern Pike and Largemouth Bass belong together, particularly in small Washington lakes. If you don't think Pike can wipe out quality bass, quality perch, or quality panfish fisheries, you don't understand the species very well. Sometimes, you just can't have "great" everything. Here's an article on the subject: https://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/pike.html
fishin2
2/9/2018 11:49:23 AMI agree 100% with this author. I frequently fish Hayden Lake in Idaho. The fishing there is great for Kokanee, Crappie, Smallmouth Bass, and other species as well as Northern Pike. Northern Pike are a great game fish as well as good eating!
uplandsandpiper
2/10/2018 9:11:25 AMExcept management of Hayden Lake isn't complicated the presence of federally listed salmon and steelhead. You are comparing apples to oranges.
AJ's Dad
2/9/2018 3:42:24 PMOK, so I read the article at https://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/pike.html .
In my opinion, as viable as this information was in referring to ponds and small lakes, I don't think it applies to the lakes Rick is referring to. I agree, if you drop a hand full of northerns into a 3 acre pond, they are going to feast on the perch and blue gills in that pond, and their populations will dwindle and likely disappear. Even in the 60 acre lake they mentioned in Nebraska, again a small lake, populations of fish overall dropped but the quality of the fish that remained was better, ie larger fish. When you are talking about bodies of water like Lake Roosevelt, and the Pend Oreille River, where the WDFW has decided to play god and wipe out as many pike as they can, these principals don't apply, in my opinion. There is a whale sized "Butt Load" of water in those systems, and several more fish species there that compete for food. I believe that if the pike were allowed to exist in the Columbia system, we would see similar results, but not on a drastic of a scale. In a small lake or pond, it's like shooting fish in a barrel when the pike need to feed and there are only those few species for them to go after. In a larger body of water there are more places for pan fish to hide, and other species for pike to eat, such as small mouth bass, tench, squaw fish. Woops, did I just say that? I mean "Northern Pike Minnows", (Where the heck did that politically correct name ever come from anyway????), white fish, carp, the list goes on and on. Yes they will also eat the precious salmon and trout if one happens to come along, but really. How often do pike hang out in the same water as trout and salmon??? I'm no expert, and certainly no fisheries biologist. I'm just a guy that tries to be level headed, objective, and absolutely loves to fish for Northern Pike.
In my opinion, as viable as this information was in referring to ponds and small lakes, I don't think it applies to the lakes Rick is referring to. I agree, if you drop a hand full of northerns into a 3 acre pond, they are going to feast on the perch and blue gills in that pond, and their populations will dwindle and likely disappear. Even in the 60 acre lake they mentioned in Nebraska, again a small lake, populations of fish overall dropped but the quality of the fish that remained was better, ie larger fish. When you are talking about bodies of water like Lake Roosevelt, and the Pend Oreille River, where the WDFW has decided to play god and wipe out as many pike as they can, these principals don't apply, in my opinion. There is a whale sized "Butt Load" of water in those systems, and several more fish species there that compete for food. I believe that if the pike were allowed to exist in the Columbia system, we would see similar results, but not on a drastic of a scale. In a small lake or pond, it's like shooting fish in a barrel when the pike need to feed and there are only those few species for them to go after. In a larger body of water there are more places for pan fish to hide, and other species for pike to eat, such as small mouth bass, tench, squaw fish. Woops, did I just say that? I mean "Northern Pike Minnows", (Where the heck did that politically correct name ever come from anyway????), white fish, carp, the list goes on and on. Yes they will also eat the precious salmon and trout if one happens to come along, but really. How often do pike hang out in the same water as trout and salmon??? I'm no expert, and certainly no fisheries biologist. I'm just a guy that tries to be level headed, objective, and absolutely loves to fish for Northern Pike.
uplandsandpiper
2/10/2018 9:07:27 AM"How often do pike hang out in the same water as trout and salmon???"
Juvenile steelhead and salmon spend a lot of their lives feeding in the slower moving weedy water where pike live. Just think about that.
Juvenile steelhead and salmon spend a lot of their lives feeding in the slower moving weedy water where pike live. Just think about that.
Fish-N-Fool
2/18/2018 12:15:35 PMI have been fishing for well over 50 years and I have never seen trout in shallow weeds that pike roam in. Show me any hard data that supports that fact. But then I haven't seen Bigfoot either and we all know they exist! :)
Mike Carey
2/12/2018 7:17:36 AMThe debate about allowing or not allowing pike in the Columbia seems to me missing the bigger issue. They are already in there and in the years ahead it's likely we'll start seeing reports as they make their way over various dams. It's unfortunate but another example of the consequences of man changing his environment. Everything has consequences. We now have wind turbines that kill tens to hundreds of thousands of birds so people can drive around in hybrid cars feeling good about themselves. Trade-offs. The money spent trying to eradicate pike maybe could be better spent on limiting gill netters, dealing with sealions, habitat restoration and proper hatchery methods. These would have much greater effect on salmon steelhead recovery than spending money trying to net every pike in a giant river system. You only have to miss a few to have the problem come right back. (for those that consider it a problem)
Mike Carey
2/12/2018 7:20:25 AMBTW, I appreciate the civil dialog and debate on this important topic. It certainly beats name calling and vitriol. Thank you.
mschulman
2/12/2018 3:37:08 PMI agree that the Dept of Fish & Wildlife are usually way off the mark on how they handle wildlife. The Northern Pike is a truly great game fish and I was amazed when I moved here Twenty years ago that they were trying to get rid of them. One thing that stands out in my mind is that Sprague Lake was evidently considered at one time, one of the best Walleye lakes in the State. I was told Fish and Wildlife poisoned the lake to get rid of Catfish and never replaced the Walleye. If that was indeed the case, I would have to put that down as mismanagement.