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Post by The Quadfather » Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:36 am

racfish wrote:I hire people when I can and when I'm in need of help. When I get a resume by email it goes in the recycle bin immediately. Maybe I'm old fashioned but if a person cant come to my shop in person then I wont hire them. E-Resumes are not personal.Its a lazy persons way to apply for a much needed job.I deal with a high end clientelle. If I cant see who I'm hiring then I just wont bother.As an employer I expect people to show up and fill out an application.When a person shows up it tells me they seriously want a job.JMO. E resumes might make it so you can collect unemployment payments but I doubt it will land you a job.
Yes, I understand your thinking Rac, but this is def. not the norm way of doing things in the current world. I too was back into the job market for the first time in many,many years, this past year. I don't know if it's the type of work that one is applying towards or what, but in most large corporations there just is not any avenue for going into a personnel office and doing it old school style. You are given a website with an online application, and a place to submit your resume, along with uploading all your letters of reference and references. They will tell that is what they want you to do, "Don't come in"

This whole process to me felt very cold, and it doesn't allow for the applicant to feel like they are making a connection with the employer. Also many people, fortunately not myself,, are not that savy on computers and find all this uploading of info. an awkward task. If a person is applying to a small business then I would def. still try to go in person and get your face in front of the business owner's face. I add that point in for the people who have grown up in the Online resume generation..... just think about what level beurocracy you are applying into... if it's a small business get off your 'puter and go down there, leave it up to them to send you back to the computer if they want.
Oh, and like Bodofish said,, be willing to take a pay cut. Many years ago I walked into a place regarding a job. The employer stated it was paying X dollars/hour I told him, "Whatever... I'm willing to work for -- a couple bucks below that figure-- Karma came back to me in that he hired me, liked my motivation, and still gave me the original higher salary.

This whole discussion of unemployment.... I am about to go on strike in the next couple of weeks, very likely at least a 1 day walk out. Future remains uncertain.
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Post by flinginpooh » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:51 am

Taking a paycut? Right now on unemployment Im making around 14.50 an hour for a 40 hr week. The max allowed for unemployment. That is at an already 40% paycut for me. Now all the jobs out there are starting off less then 12 an hour. Will put me at over 50% paycut from my normal pay. Even less then my unemployment. I mean it maybe wrong to look at it this way but If Im gonna make more on the unemployment Ill stay on it till I get a job offer of more then 14.50 an hour. Or all my unemployment runs out.
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Post by saltyseadog » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:51 am

3 in person contacts a week not true?
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racfish wrote:I hire people when I can and when I'm in need of help. When I get a resume by email it goes in the recycle bin immediately. Maybe I'm old fashioned but if a person cant come to my shop in person then I wont hire them. E-Resumes are not personal.Its a lazy persons way to apply for a much needed job.I deal with a high end clientelle. If I cant see who I'm hiring then I just wont bother.As an employer I expect people to show up and fill out an application.When a person shows up it tells me they seriously want a job.JMO. E resumes might make it so you can collect unemployment payments but I doubt it will land you a job.
Well RAC I'm sorry to say you're a dying breed. I couldn't get a job in my field if I banged on a hundred doors. It's so much more effecient for employers to collect resumes electronicaly go through them, then decide who they are going to interview. There is always that all important visual face to face and interview, it's just in a different place in the process.

As far as unemployment is concerned, you can apply online all day long and it doesn't mean a thing. You must have three in person job contacts a week to qualify. It's not very much and if you aren't doing a lot more than that, you probably aren't going to get a job.

Now days if you want to find a suitable job it takes several hundred online and in person contacts a week to get to the people that are hiring. It's just the way it is. If you're not finding employment in a few months, it's time to go back to school and get more training. It's that simple. Experience in most fields is no longer an automatic in, eudcation, certification and experience. If you don't have the three, your resume probably won't get looked at. Now days if you want to get hired you have to really want to work. If you've been out of work for a while, you're going to have to take a pay cut. It's just the way it is. Once you are working a lot more doors will open up to you. many companies will not take a chance on someone who is not working. If you're already working you must be all right. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.
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Post by Racer » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:53 am

I have to agree that the old way had merits. You got your face infront of an employer and could size each other up alot better that online. Some jobs would go to gut feeling along with exp. I started out in the lumber and logging area before becoming an electrician. Back then if you didn't get face to face you didn't have a job.

I have to consider myself lucky that in 24yrs of construction I have only been off work for 5 months of that I didn't want. Cross my fingers to finish another 8yrs like that.[-o<

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Post by Bodofish » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:10 am

Look it up. It's been the same since the beginning of time. Applying for jobs online doesn't count for a thing in the eyes of Employment Security.
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Post by flinginpooh » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:38 am

Bodofish wrote:Look it up. It's been the same since the beginning of time. Applying for jobs online doesn't count for a thing in the eyes of Employment Security.
saltyseadog wrote: 3 in person contacts a week not true?
Actually it does count I just got my euc and it has the following wording.

Record your job searches on a job search log. If you do not have direct contact with an employer such as newspaper or online applications, please attach a copy of the ad or the confirmation notice if available. Please do not send the job search logs to us unless we ask you to.

So it appears even they know whats up with the job searches of today.
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Post by Bodofish » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:48 pm

flinginpooh wrote:Taking a paycut? Right now on unemployment Im making around 14.50 an hour for a 40 hr week. The max allowed for unemployment. That is at an already 40% paycut for me. Now all the jobs out there are starting off less then 12 an hour. Will put me at over 50% paycut from my normal pay. Even less then my unemployment. I mean it maybe wrong to look at it this way but If Im gonna make more on the unemployment Ill stay on it till I get a job offer of more then 14.50 an hour. Or all my unemployment runs out.
As usual, bristling and NOT reading the entire passage, understanding it, then making comment.

So let me get this straight, you've taken a 40% pay cut to look for a job so that entitles you to a job paying what you were making before or more? Now, you have been out of work for over a year, I'm guessing you hold no professional certifications or degrees and are not a member of a labor union. That basically makes you unskilled labor in the eyes of most if not all employers. The going rate for unskilled labor is about $12.50 per hour. You can do what you want with that, it is what it is. If you make a little more on Un and you're not willing to move forward, so be it.

I'll try again and word it a little differently this time. The best way to get a new job is to already have a job. Working at any job will fit the bill. That shows employers you are willing and able to work. More important than that, it puts you in the network of working people. You will never find out about those "good" word of mouth jobs as long as you are not in the work place network.

If $14.50 is all that it take s to make you happy then OK. If you want to do better than that right off the bat, you need to make yourself more desirable or employable. If you aren't working there is only one way to do that. Go back to school and get some education, get a professional certificate, who knows you may even find a job through the school. You've been out of work long enough I'm sure you could secure educational funding through Employment Security.

Lastly, it takes many contacts a week. Not just the minimum required but an all day, every day search. It's a full time job looking for work. Online and in person. If you aren't putting out at least 100 resumes a week you aren't contacting enough people to find that magic $16 or $18 dollar an hour job. Personally I'd shoot for at least double that.

Please don't take this the wrong way. I've been in your shoes before and I feel for you and your family. I've paid a lot of money for the same advice from employment counselors and head hunters so passing it on to others is the least I can do. Lastly the most important piece of wisdom they have emparted is, You are are the only person that's going to get you a job. You have to do it. No one is going to come by with jobs on a platter.
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I stand corrected on one count on the job search, it's changed in the last year. Lest anyone thinks that just broadcasting resumes will suffice, think again. Here is a clip from UI Claims Kit:

What Must I Do To Find Another Job?
While claiming benefits, you must be:
* Able to work;
* Available to work;
* Actively seeking suitable work; and
* Registered for work with a WorkSource Office or local employment center.
You must maintain a log of your job search activities, if required.
For each week that you claim benefits, you must make at least three employer contacts or participate in three in-person job search activities (or a combination of both for a total of three) at your WorkSource Office or local employment center.
Approved job search activities at the WorkSource Office or local employment center include workshops on topics such as job finding tips, interviewing skills, or how to use the Internet to find a job. Other facilitated activities that qualify may be offered by your local office.
If you are collecting additional or extended benefits under a state or federal program, you may be required to make more job search contacts each week.
If you are a member of a full referral union, you must comply with your union’s dispatch rules.
You may not be required to make any job search contacts if you:
* Have been granted Commissioner Approved Training (CAT);
* Are approved for the Self-Employment Assistance Program (SEAP);
* Are approved for Training Benefits;
* Are a member of a full referral union that is recognized by the department; or
* Are on department approved standby.
We will notify you of your job search requirements.
A valid job search contact is a contact with an employer to inquire about or apply for a job.
The following are NOT considered valid job search contacts:
* Posting to an online employment agency without an application submitted to a specific employer
* Job search contacts with employers that you know are not hiring
* Submitting a state application without a specific announcement number
* When it is determined the job search contact is designed in whole or in part to avoid meeting the job search requirements.
We monitor job search efforts on a random basis for both in-state and out-of-state claims. If we select you for an interview to review your job search activities, you must bring proof of your identity.
You must also:
* Keep a log of your job search contacts. You can download additional job search logs on line at www.log.go2ui.com.
NOTE: Copies of the Job Search Log are included in the back of this booklet. When your logs are completed, save them in case we ask you for them. Do not mail them to us unless we ask you to do so. Employer contacts listed on the log will be verified on a random basis. Keep these logs a minimum of 60 days past the end of your benefit year or 30 days past the receipt of any benefits, whichever is later.
Out-of-state claimants must also be prepared to record job search contacts for each week claimed.
* For each employer contact, you must provide the following items on your Job Search Log:
• The date;
• The business name and complete mailing address or
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• The business phone
number
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eb address;
• How the contact was made;
• The person you contacted or the job reference number;
• The type of work you were seeking; and
• The result.
* For each in-person activity, you must provide the following on your Job Search Log:
• The date;
• The WorkSource office;
• A description of the activity; and
• The result.
* When scheduled, attend a Job Search Monitoring Interview at your WorkSource Office or local employment center to discuss your job search activities. Bring your Job Search Logs with you. If you fail to report for the one week review of your job search, we will schedule you for a job search review of all weeks claimed.
NOTE: If you are selected for an interview to review your job search activities, you are required to bring proof of your identity.
Job Search Guide

I also pulled a snip from an interview with aa UI auditor:

Some people wondered if the state office that handles unemployment benefits has the time to audit job-contact logs, given how busy they are these days.

Sheryl Hutchinson, spokeswoman for the Employment Security Department, was unable to say what percent of people are actually audited, but said the department summoned nearly 28,000 people for a review in a recent four-month period. That was out of a pool of roughly 150,000 people.

"(The reviews) are on a fairly random basis," Hutchinson said. "So we want people to know: You can get caught."

During a review, staffers look at job-contact logs and occasionally call employers to verify a contact. Lack of contacts -- or faked ones -- can lead
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Post by saltyseadog » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:09 pm

if youe register with the states worksource web site you can "apply" for the employers that are aproved by worksource
Bodofish wrote:Look it up. It's been the same since the beginning of time. Applying for jobs online doesn't count for a thing in the eyes of Employment Security.
saltyseadog wrote: 3 in person contacts a week not true?
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Post by flinginpooh » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:17 pm

Actually bodo Im not unskilled labor and hold many certificates. Ive been in telecommunications for 12 years and needed to keep on top of my skill knowledge in order to advance. Ill take a paycut from my normal pay but not from the unemployment. Why would anyone take a cut from unemployment to take a job they dont even want in the first place. I dont want to be out of telecommunications. I however will have no choice in the long run. You love jumping on people and thats ok some people will like your salty old person comments. I however Was trying to clerify something and am in no mood to deal with you. I wasnt in a union job no but I was in a job that I happened to be one of the best. Do they want to pay the best anymore NO! They want to go ahead and bring in a fresh person and train them and pay them 10-12 an hour and not 25-30 an hour. They save money on benefits and put more money in there pocket. Im not new to life and Im not new to the work force. Ive not been unemployed for over a year. I was however employed for the last 22 years. And as I said Ive paid money in for these programs. Ill take some out now. I mean afterall I wont ever see my social security payments right?
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Post by Gonefishing » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:11 pm

While the idea of filing for a position on line by email or on line application may seem non-personal that is only way you can apply for certain types of jobs. For example my wife is in Bio-Tech... in many of the Bio-tech companies you can't even set foot in the door unless you have clearance of some sort.

Unfortunately going in person for a job application isn't always possible. And then there is transpiration costs. Do I want to drive 60 miles round trip for a job that I only have a hair widths chance in heck of getting in the first place? Especially if I can apply on-line. I know you the hiring manager might say well it shows that your not willing to go out of your way to get the job but I might be looking at it as 3 gallons of gas and an hours frustration from getting lost to finally hearing upon arrival sorry we filled the position.
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flinginpooh wrote:Actually bodo Im not unskilled labor and hold many certificates. Ive been in telecommunications for 12 years and needed to keep on top of my skill knowledge in order to advance. Ill take a paycut from my normal pay but not from the unemployment. Why would anyone take a cut from unemployment to take a job they dont even want in the first place. I dont want to be out of telecommunications. I however will have no choice in the long run. You love jumping on people and thats ok some people will like your salty old person comments. I however Was trying to clerify something and am in no mood to deal with you. I wasnt in a union job no but I was in a job that I happened to be one of the best. Do they want to pay the best anymore NO! They want to go ahead and bring in a fresh person and train them and pay them 10-12 an hour and not 25-30 an hour. They save money on benefits and put more money in there pocket. Im not new to life and Im not new to the work force. Ive not been unemployed for over a year. I was however employed for the last 22 years. And as I said Ive paid money in for these programs. Ill take some out now. I mean afterall I wont ever see my social security payments right?
Pooh, I'm not jumping on you at all. You just happened to be the person that complained about being on UI. Sorry if I say it the way I see it. If you have certifications awesome, put them to use. My point is you've been out of the game for quite some time, it's really hard to get that time back. Tune up your certs at the CC or where ever. There are jobs out there, they're just not as easy to find. I can't really say much about taking a year off as I've receintly done that too. Medical but none the less out of the workforce for a year. Nobody really cares why as long as we're not talking prison. The net result was the same. So you youself said, "Ive been in telecommunications for 12 years and needed to keep on top of my skill knowledge in order to advance.". There ya go, you know what to do if you want the big bucks.
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Post by dicinu » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:12 pm

see to me that makes no sense I will wait until I get a job offer or until my un-employement runs out so you will make 12 bucks an hour now in a year possibly more than that or sit on um- employement now make 14 now then in a year make 12 I would rather make the 12 now and work my way up t the 14-15 16 in a year then wait it out. not sure but I do not see things getting any better for the normal working force folks anytime soon. and when un-employement runs out and that 12 buck an hour job is not avail then what? this is a time to get a job where you can and prove yourselves to get top dollar for the work you do.
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Post by Iamfishing » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:23 am

i wish i had a job,i cant even get on unemployment,sucks bad too,cause i never really had much time to get a job when i was younger always takeing care of the house for my mom,then she died the day after xmas in 08,been so hard ever since,it almost seem hopeless for me,lucky family helps out.i would even take road crew just to make some money,but i think u gotta get introubble to do that,witch i dont wanna do.its really strange for me though,cause i had to take on the world at 18,now 20 turning 21,i see the world much diff,strange how life is,

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Iamfishing wrote:i wish i had a job,i cant even get on unemployment,sucks bad too,cause i never really had much time to get a job when i was younger always takeing care of the house for my mom,then she died the day after xmas in 08,been so hard ever since,it almost seem hopeless for me,lucky family helps out.i would even take road crew just to make some money,but i think u gotta get introubble to do that,witch i dont wanna do.its really strange for me though,cause i had to take on the world at 18,now 20 turning 21,i see the world much diff,strange how life is,
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Post by Bodofish » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:25 pm

Bob Johansen wrote:
Iamfishing wrote:i wish i had a job,i cant even get on unemployment,sucks bad too,cause i never really had much time to get a job when i was younger always takeing care of the house for my mom,then she died the day after xmas in 08,been so hard ever since,it almost seem hopeless for me,lucky family helps out.i would even take road crew just to make some money,but i think u gotta get introubble to do that,witch i dont wanna do.its really strange for me though,cause i had to take on the world at 18,now 20 turning 21,i see the world much diff,strange how life is,
Have you considered spending some time in the US Navy? I joined at age 20 and things kinda fell into place when my hitch ended. Just a thought.
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ive trd to join several times but i cant join any service branch,cause i dont have my GED,and its hard to get it,cause with the little money i do get,i have to spend it on my animals and for gas,witch leavs with with less than 20 each month,im gong to keep positive in hopes that something will come my way soon..

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1 in 7 Americans is on food stamps. Neat huh?

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Post by racfish » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:18 pm

If I can explain a lil bit further in my way of dealing with this. I get about 50 applications electronically a week on my E-mail. Most people want a job telling me how to run my business. They promise me higher yields and lots more jobs. Then I'll make an attempt to answer a few. What I get in most cases is" undeliverable mail" or a zip file attached which may be a legitimate resume but in my learnings a zip-file is a virus. People get off sending viruses. I'm not sure why but they do. All zip files are thrown into recycle bin. Second people apply for jobs I'm not even looking for. The jobs I offer are installing,sewing, and gen labor. I get every resume under the sun other then what I'm looking for. Thats what I was meaning about electronic job hunting.In most of youur cases jobs your looking for a salary based position not a job paying maybe 14.00 an hour tops.I would think.I hope that clarifies what I meant.I am old fashioned in alot of ways.I learend from my grandfather and dad .We are celebrating our 81 st year in business this comming year.Thanks guys.As a side note. I deal with a very wealthy clientelle.I need to see who I'm hiring as well as seeing what they can do. I cant send a long haired unshaven slob to my customers homes no matter how qualified they are.
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