WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

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WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by backlasher » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:15 pm

Public meetings scheduled on northern pike
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and the Kalispel Tribe of Indians Natural Resources Department (KNRD) will hold public meetings April 19 and 20 to discuss non-native northern pike in Pend Oreille River and other eastern Washington waters, and take public input on options to control them and minimize their impacts on native fish.
The 6 to 8 p.m. meetings are scheduled for:
• Tuesday, April 19, at Create Arts Center, 900 W. 4th St., in Newport
• Wednesday, April 20, at Center Place, 2426 N. Discovery Place, in Spokane Valley
Recent WDFW and KNRD surveys have documented a rapid increase in the number of northern pike in the Pend Oreille River, and a reduction in forage fish such as native minnows, whitefish and suckers, as well as non-native sportfish such as largemouth bass.
Left unchecked, northern pike could severely impact other fish-including native westslope cutthroat and bull trout-and undermine efforts to restore native fish populations in the river system.
Options under consideration by WDFW and KNRD to control pike on the Pend Oreille River include netting fish and donating them to local food banks, sport-reward fisheries, and fishing tournaments targeting pike, according to Bill Baker, a WDFW district fish biologist in Colville.
The Pend Oreille River's northern pike are believed to have originated from illegal stocking in the Clark Fork River system in western Montana. The fish migrated downstream to Lake Pend Oreille, then into the Pend Oreille River in Idaho and Washington.
The first pike in the Pend Oreille River was captured in a 2004 scientific survey, although they have been reported by anglers since the late 1980s. Pike are currently found throughout river's Box Canyon Reservoir and Boundary Reservoir.
"Our immediate concern is predation on native westslope cutthroat and bull trout," said Baker, "but native salmon, steelhead and other species also could be at risk if pike migrate downstream and establish populations in the Columbia River. We're also concerned about northern pike populations establishing in other Washington waters."
KNRD Fisheries and Water Resources Director Joe Maroney said the tribe is equally concerned, and is determined to prevent the spread and further illegal introduction of northern pike.
"We want to reduce the number of pike and we're working closely with the Department of Fish and Wildlife to develop the best management strategy," Maroney said.
WDFW and KNRD fish biologists will conduct population-assessment surveys in late April through May to determine the abundance of northern pike and other fish species in Box Canyon Reservoir.

Please attend one of the meetings if you can and give input, seems like there are other options other than netting being considered :) :) :)

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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Fish-N-Fool » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:55 am

You sound like a WDFW employee, because those guys are the only ones that believe this pack of lies. I will be there to point out the True Facts.
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Kfedka » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:04 pm

Here is the original link in the SpokesmanReview: Pike Article

Folks the state has enough Trout lakes as it is. Show up at the meetings and speak up. We want the Pike!

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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Mike Carey » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:15 pm

Kfedka wrote:Here is the original link in the SpokesmanReview: Pike Article

Folks the state has enough Trout lakes as it is. Show up at the meetings and speak up. We want the Pike!
Thanks, it would have helped to know that first post was cut/paste from the Spokane article.
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by YJ Guide Service » Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:02 pm

Everyone needs to please come to these meetings to support the fishery on the PO River. I have to laugh when i hear things that people say that they dont like Pike but they love the Muskie. I have a major love for Muskie and Pike equally. I find it hard to choose to only like one or the other. If it wasnt for the Pike we wouldnt have a Tiger Muskie program here in Washington State. For those of you who dont know the Tiger Muskie which are sterile are half Muskie and half Pike. So when i hear people talking bad about the Pike who only love the Tigers i have to shake my head and wonder how many Tigers we would have without the Pike.....Please come to the meetings and support the Pike!!!!!!
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by AJ's Dad » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:18 pm

I don't believe I will be able to make it to either of these meetings. Maybe someone could throw out the idea of finding a "Landlocked" lake, like Sprague Lake for example and planting it with pike, for those of us that love to catch them. That lake has plenty of spawning habitat for pike. It could also serve as a "Study Lake" to see if they will really eat themselves out of house and home. The wrost case is, it would grow some montsers after a few short years, then back off to smaller average sized fish. They can shock the pike in the POR and transplant them into sprague, or do like they did when the walleye club got together with the state to round up a bunch of walleyes to put in sprague, many years ago. I personally think the reward per fish method will help reduce the numbers in the POR dramatically. If you think there are a lot of pike fishermen at the POR now, just wait and see how many fishermen show up when they find out they can get 4 or 5 bucks a fish like they do with the Squaw fish. If they do that, I may apply for a license to sell hot dogs at the Cusick boat launch.
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Mark K » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:50 pm

If there were a reward fishery I would hope they use a size limit. I don't know what the perfect length to take out is, but I would guess something like 24 inches and under?

We will see what they decide, but if that is the route hopefully we can keep those big fish. What I personally have understood from what the Kalispell people have said is they (The Kallispells) want to kill everything. That's not possible, so lets make the best of it.

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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Mark K » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:52 pm

Yankin Jaw Guide Service wrote:I have to laugh when i hear things that people say that they dont like Pike but they love the Muskie.

If it wasnt for the Pike we wouldnt have a Tiger Muskie program here in Washington State. So when i hear people talking bad about the Pike who only love the Tigers i have to shake my head and wonder how many Tigers we would have without the Pike.
BINGO! Great point Craig!

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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by YJ Guide Service » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:42 am

The biggest problem is no one has any money to support a pay per fish like they do with the Pike Minnow. We also dont want to support something that is ultimately a plan to remove as many Pike as possible kind of plan. We want to hopefully get them to remove some of the small fish to promote a trophy fishery in the end, not so that there is only a few hundred fish in the river when there done. Unfortunetly their goal isnt to see us have a trophy fishery its all about the preservation of the Trout.
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by MarkFromSea » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:36 am

What is the potential impact on salmon? This is my favorite fishery.

In general, I catch fish to eat. I also respect the CnR fisheries, bass, muskie, select trout waters. I enjoy the flavor of pike but I see by a number of posts that some consider the pike to be near the status of a muskie in terms of CnR. I've avoided CnR fisheries in the past. Currently, I have plenty of salmon on hand (jars and freezer) so I'm looking at some of these CnR preferred fisheries just to fish and CnR.

I think we DO need to do what it takes to protect salmon stocks! This includes killing lots of sea lions! I do NOT know what pike might do to the salmon downstream in the Columbia River and off of the coast. What financial resource are the Kalispels trying to protect? It's ALWAYS about the money!

Undecided on pike removal.......

added later: LOL I know pike don't live in salt, that's just nuts!LOL It's the salmon that I catch off of Westport that originate from the Columbia system that I'm concerned about. LOL

But seriously, it's where the salmon smolts and such hang on their way back to the ocean that has me concerned.. juvenile pike would love to chomp a salmon smolt if given the opportunity.... Again, I just don't know what would happen.
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Lucius » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:35 am

MarkFromSea wrote:What is the potential impact on salmon? This is my favorite fishery.

In general, I catch fish to eat. I also respect the CnR fisheries, bass, muskie, select trout waters. I enjoy the flavor of pike but I see by a number of posts that some consider the pike to be near the status of a muskie in terms of CnR. I've avoided CnR fisheries in the past. Currently, I have plenty of salmon on hand (jars and freezer) so I'm looking at some of these CnR preferred fisheries just to fish and CnR.

I think we DO need to do what it takes to protect salmon stocks! This includes killing lots of sea lions! I do NOT know what pike might do to the salmon downstream in the Columbia River and off of the coast. What financial resource are the Kalispels trying to protect? It's ALWAYS about the money!

Undecided on pike removal.......

If the pike establish themselves in the lower Columbia, I really don't think they would effect the salmon fishery all that much. Salmon move along in the faster waters and pike hate faster water. In fact I think in might even help the salmon fishery because pike would start feeding on the squawfish, and I believe they would do a good job of it. I wouldn't worry to much about pike moving off the coast as they prefer fresh water over salt water and I believe they will never leave brackish water. I wonder if seal like pike? If they do, it would give the seals another fish to focus on besides salmon.

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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by Mark K » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:08 pm

MarkFromSea wrote:What is the potential impact on salmon? This is my favorite fishery.
Pike have also had access to the Roosevelt for a very long time via Long Lake, and there have been reports of Pike caught in Roosevelt but they've never established there. I also have to agree with Lucius on the squawfish point. They could very well help bring Squawfish numbers down.

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Post by muskyhunter » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:02 am

Fish-N-Fool wrote:Spoken like a true WDFW employee, because you guys are the only ones that believe this pack of lies. I will be there to point out the True Facts.
Dude..Really? I think that was a simple copy and pasted article. Looks like the person was just trying to be helpful. Chill out a little would ya please?
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by muskyhunter » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:40 am

Mark K wrote:
Yankin Jaw Guide Service wrote:I have to laugh when i hear things that people say that they dont like Pike but they love the Muskie.

If it wasnt for the Pike we wouldnt have a Tiger Muskie program here in Washington State. So when i hear people talking bad about the Pike who only love the Tigers i have to shake my head and wonder how many Tigers we would have without the Pike.
BINGO! Great point Craig!
You both are right. If it were not for the Northerns.
The 2 of you guys seem pretty well schooled on the fishery. So maybe teach those folks that do not understand how it came to be. I'm in favor of a slot limit myself to help "thin the herd" if you will. And would not like to see the fishery disappear. Mark, you and I have had discussions on the fishery and we do understand each other and agree on this subject.
I am not for having the Northerns in the Columbia. Enough issues with the POR. You honestly think if that happens the Northerns won't be on a most wanted list?
Craig..I am one of those guys that primarily fishes Muskies. Brood stock or hybrids. Thats what I do. Actually hitting ol'Wiscony this summer for the 1st time in nearly 20 years. And you are slightly right on the love/hate thing you are talking about.In fact we'd catch the Northerns to eat rather than the muskies. I appreciate both species. Tigers back there are not nearly as abundant as they are here. It "was" a rarity. I am greatful for the opportunity that the WDFW has presented to alot of us here in Washington. And I do my best to promote the Tiger fishery here. So again work with the WDFW not against them. I think they understand your Northern Pike concerns. Craig, how long have you been fishing the tigers and how long have you been guiding for them? Just wondering is all. Todd
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by YJ Guide Service » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:32 pm

As President of Chapter 60 Mountain Muskies I too are all for promoting Muskies in the state. I also am not for them trying to elimenate the Pike either. I think that WDFW should be thanked for what they have done as far as the Tiger program is concerned, without their help we wouldnt have Tigers. I also dont think its fair to try and hold the Tiger program over our heads when were talking about Pike and trying to get people to stop talking about them cause its going to hurt the Tiger program. One has nothing to do with the other in this case. Muskies Inc is not the one involved here its just a whole lot of fisherman and fisherwomen who love to fish Pike. Just happens to be that the people around here that love to fish for Tigers also love to fish for Pike, nothing wrong with having a passion for more than one fish. If the Trout clubs wanted to support the Salmon clubs on a major issue on the Westside of the state would there be any issues with that? probley not. So i dont see any problems with Muskie guys and gals supporting the Pike fishery same thing. I have been fishing Tigers and guiding here for a couple years now and have been fishing the PO River since i moved here in 1982.
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Post by Fish-N-Fool » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:09 pm

muskyhunter wrote: Dude..Really? I think that was a simple copy and pasted article. Looks like the person was just trying to be helpful. Chill out a little would ya please?
Where in that post did it say it was a copy and paste from a newspaper article? It was the first post by a new user with many inaccurate statements that I feel need to be pointed out. If you quote a paper then you should say so in the post. I took it as his words as I don't read newspapers from Spokane. So don't jump on me for pointing out the errors in the facts of the post when he didn't disclose the source of the information..
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by backlasher » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:48 pm

Sorry I didn't note that the original post was from an e-mail I got from the WDFW Public Affairs, it seemed obvious to me that the meeting notice was from the WDFW. (Apparently the Spokane news paper got the same e-mail)

After I received the e-mail I went to this site thinking there would already be discussions about it. When I didn't see anything I decided to share the information with other people who love Pike and Musky fishing!!

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Post by dougw » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:09 pm

backlasher, thanks for sharing and getting the word out.

Fish-N-Fool, the last thing we need is for those of us to get in disagreements among friends here. I know WDFW staff reads through the posts, but it is very unlikely that they would ever post their comments here. It's not a politically correct way to do public outreach. They can however get a feel for what the general public thinks of their decisions. When they see discord among us, it will only hurt us as sportsmen.

Lets keep the discussion civil and try to refrain from comments which start to divide us. We all love Muskie and Pike fishing, or we wouldn't be in here discussing it!

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Post by YJ Guide Service » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:29 pm

Very good advice to everyone Doug we all need to stick together not bash each other we are all fisherman and fisherwomen and are all passionte about our own fish we fish for......
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RE:WDFW & Kalispel Tribe Meetings on Northern Pike

Post by sparky1doug » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:52 am

Nothing is to be gained by making this issue personal. Sadly I'm seeing this slowly turn down a distructive path. Niether side being innocent. Let us all respect each others right to have an opinion but keep it civil! I've been silent for several weeks now, trying to research past studies on the POR and the Columbia. The migration of Pike from Coeurd'Alene Lake down the Spokane River thru Long Lake on into Roosevelt and Pike coming into the Columbia System from Canada. The migration from Montana through Idaho and into the Box Canyon Res. From fishing reports, fish and wildlife studies, newspaper articles, magazine articles, power company reports, tribal studies and mission statements (past and present), dams relicensing agreements, army corp of engineer forcasts. My intention is to have the best possible grasp of the facts that I can. When the time is right to speak out with an informed voice.
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