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25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lakes

Post by SculpinKing » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:30 am

Hello all,
Just ran across this news and thought it was pretty exciting. There have been many, many questions about catching Channel Cats on the westside on this board in the past so I thought it was worth posting.

I know many of these places have been stocked in the past, but it's good to know there is a new crop of fish out there to catch in a few years.

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2011/10/18/25 ... -wa-lakes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From the top, the waters include:

Terrell, west of Ferndale, 5,000

Fazon, south of Everson, 500; has been planted 10 times in the past

Campbell, on Fidalgo Island, 4,000; has been planted seven times in the past

Gissberg Ponds/Twin Lakes, in Smokey Point, 500 each; have been planted eight times in the past

Green, in Seattle, 3,500; has been planted seven times in the past

St. Clair, southeast of Lacey, 3,500; first ever planting

Lawrence, south of Yelm, 4,000; first ever planting

Chambers, west of Lacey, 800; has been planted three times in the past

Swofford, southeast of Mossyrock, 2,000

Kress, north of Kalama, 500

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by Gringo Pescador » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:47 am

Now just wait a few years to get em up to decent fighting size!

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by oneshot » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:55 am

i like the line where it says
"Green, in Seattle, 3,500; has been planted seven times in the past"

I used to fish the trout there from time to time, CnR only.. they offered little excitement..
this gives me a reason to fish a little after work again, being close to home :)

thanks for the news! i think that's cool!
i know right where to go to catch'em too as an ancient old wise asian man showed me once years ago..

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by MarkFromSea » Fri May 25, 2012 11:00 pm

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Eastern WA received cats as well last year: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2011/09/20/ch ... this-week/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Should be some size to them now!
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by returnofthefish » Sat May 26, 2012 2:23 pm

Anybody know how the catfish taste from Green Lake?

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by 'OL GREY DOG » Tue May 29, 2012 8:39 am

OM(EDITED) ...

ok ok i'm all for F&W plant'n anyyyything other than dink trout for "put 'n take" ... and cats are a great choice ... IMO crappie would be a better choice if your go'n for the biggest bang/buck .. because they will readily spawn and grow faster ... and because they'd be accessible to the "TAKERS"
butttt like usual this is abouta 1/2 a cluster ...

they drove a truck to Cali ? twice ??? ... so what? 2 guys .. per diem .. overtime ... fuel /maint on the truck ... lodging ??? .... TWICE ??? ... how much of their budget went into that ???? ..

and why not buy fry ? .. 1000s in a few gallons of water ship'd overnight air freight ... i raised Blues in water troughs some years bk .... and when the guy in Ms quoted me prices (after swallow'n hard) i ordered 2.5 in ones lolol ... the shipping cost when you get into the big 1s was .... oooh lordy ...

anndddd ? ... who the (EDITED) picked the lakes ??? ...
Chambers ????? ... 800 planted 3 times ??? ... Chambers ???? ... why that lil mud hole ? ... that lake isnt lined with homes/docks with people buy'n a licence who might be "TAKERS" ... public access is about 10 ft of dirt next to a concrete ramp ... if ya tie on a 3oz sinker and get a reallllyyy good toss you might make it out where it's more than 4ft deep ... i looked at the past reports ... all green fish guys ... there were a few crazys after trout or panfish but 99% bass guys ... NO REPORTS of cat fish'n or catch'n !!! .. my other concern would be the water quality in that lake/mudhole ... but try as i might didnt come up with anything in a search ... why not say Hicks or Chambers or Paterson or Long ??? or how bout McIntosh or Scott Lake ??? 1s that get all kinds of bank fisher persons ??? .... bone head move WTG F&W againnnnnn ...

ya know .. this is the kind of program that i would glady pay/donate a extra sayyy $20 bucks to ... just MORE add on/extra when i buy my licence ... pfffttttttt i just tell 'em to "hit the pay max button" when i renew mine every year and dont care if i dont use everything ... BUT i'm allways hope'n they dont (EDITED) it all away ...

ok i vented ...thnx ... feel muchhhh better now ... DOG

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by Bodofish » Tue May 29, 2012 9:39 am

Always sour grapes. OGD, it must be horrible to be unhappy all the time, why don't you do us all a favor and run for a State Senate or Rep position and do something about that angst. Even volunteer some time where your voice may be heard. And of course don't be shy with those donations, I'm sure if you were to donate the cash, you could come to an understanding with the WDFW about what kind of fish were stocked with your $$$$$$$. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by 'OL GREY DOG » Tue May 29, 2012 10:02 am

WOW ... some pretty negitive comments
thought those were frowned upon .....EH

feel free to NOT READ anything i say if you like .....


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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by Bodofish » Tue May 29, 2012 10:17 am

Sorry man just the way I see it. You can waste time and energy compaining about it or do something about it. If you think I'm wrong, show me a positive post. :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by 'OL GREY DOG » Tue May 29, 2012 10:19 am

they can get worse ... it's on you

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by TroutSnipr » Tue May 29, 2012 10:57 am

Being an Ex-Eastsider I'm all for putting more catchable species in some of the lakes over here. I would gladly pay an "R&D fee" for additional species plants if given the option. I do agree with OGD somewhat though in that these type of 'other species' planting should be in the more accessible waters, as long as they are suitable for the planted species if they are going to be sucessful. For instance Terrell lake looks like a nice body of water, but being so far out of the way in Ferndale, how many people are actually going to go that far to catch catfish? Same goes for Fazon lake oe the couple of lakes down in Lewis County. I will however go to Gissburg and try my luck even though shallow 15 acre ponds don't seem like prime catfish territory. It's the only place (besides Green Lake) within 60 miles it seems that has any cats.
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by wlai » Tue May 29, 2012 11:47 am

Second guessing any decision is easy, but I'm sure there are some logic to WDFW; whether they are the "right" logic is the question.

For example, maybe they are planting the cats in some out of the way lakes as an experiment, because they might have a better chance to become a sustainable breeding population before they are all caught by anglers? Or perhaps they are trial plantings to debug the issues before they plant them in other lakes?

Or they can all just be idiots, I suppose.

In any case, I do echo the voluntary contribution to increase stocking budget, and crappies.

And all the talk reminds me of this Louis CK video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Heck, I'm just glad that the state stocks its lakes and rivers!

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by MarkFromSea » Tue May 29, 2012 12:05 pm

'OL GREY DOG wrote:they can get worse ... it's on you
On a positive note: Did you see that report on the Potholes that was just posted? I think it was FishinChristian, had a heck of a good time with those cats in the Coulee arm! Caught 11 cats various sizes on 4 pound test...... Jeez! 4 lbs test busts so easy,,,,,,, LOL

Might be the state stuffed some cats into a mud hole since cats don't breed well in WA waters, I read. The lower Snake area, ok, the rest of the state, not so good. Maybe the mud hole lake is a test of sorts. It's a preferred fish by a few anglers, a few wetside anglers are willing to drive to E WA to catch them. I think it's good that the state threw a few whiskers our way, here, on the wet side of the state, just for the variety. 60 miles is shorter than 150............... X 2 for the roundtrip. Been a year since I caught the cat pictured above, I was in WI visiting my daughters....... Caught it on a big mepps rooster tail looking lure,,,,,, Never expected something like that out of the Flambeau River on a lure.....Caught two that day, nearly identical!

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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by MarkFromSea » Tue May 29, 2012 12:15 pm

THANKS Wlai! That is the funniest video I've seen all week! =D> :cheers:
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by TroutSnipr » Tue May 29, 2012 2:38 pm

wlai wrote:For example, maybe they are planting the cats in some out of the way lakes as an experiment, because they might have a better chance to become a sustainable breeding population before they are all caught by anglers? Or perhaps they are trial plantings to debug the issues before they plant them in other lakes?

Or they can all just be idiots, I suppose.
If this is the case, then I suspect they would do what they did with I-82 pond #1 in Yakima County which is listed as "Closed waters - Pond 1 is used as a walleye research project."
MarkFromSea wrote: On a positive note: Did you see that report on the Potholes that was just posted? I think it was FishinChristian, had a heck of a good time with those cats in the Coulee arm! Caught 11 cats various sizes on 4 pound test...... Jeez! 4 lbs test busts so easy,,,,,,, LOL

Might be the state stuffed some cats into a mud hole since cats don't breed well in WA waters, I read. The lower Snake area, ok, the rest of the state, not so good. Maybe the mud hole lake is a test of sorts. It's a preferred fish by a few anglers, a few wetside anglers are willing to drive to E WA to catch them. I think it's good that the state threw a few whiskers our way, here, on the wet side of the state, just for the variety. 60 miles is shorter than 150............... X 2 for the roundtrip. Been a year since I caught the cat pictured above, I was in WI visiting my daughters....... Caught it on a big mepps rooster tail looking lure,,,,,, Never expected something like that out of the Flambeau River on a lure.....Caught two that day, nearly identical!

Hope Y'all have some fun out there!
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First of all I would say that the Potholes reservoir sysytem is probably one of the 5 biggest lake type fisheries on the Eastside along with Banks Lake, Long Lake, Lake Roosevelt, and lake Chelan(kinda in the middle). This is an excellent place for people to experience catfish in a lake environment as I noted in my previous post. It also has a large mainly volunteer trout rearing program. Its also relatively close (for the Eastside) to 4 of the 5 major population areas, being Yakima, Walla Walla, Tri-Cities, and Moses Lake.

I can say that "cats don't breed well in WA waters, I read. The lower Snake area, ok, the rest of the state, not so good."
Is inherently incorrect. I have caught cats over 5 pounds in the Yakima river. I have caught many cats over 10 lbs on the Snake River, Columbia River, and the state record 36+lb Channel cat was caught out of a 10 acre pond I routinely caught 10-15lbers out of, as well as limited on trout, just about every time I went which is I-82 pond #6 less than 100 yards from I-82 between Yakima and Toppenish.

And to say that only a "perferred fish by a few anglers" IMHO is only because of lack of access and exposure to what is a great fish. How many transplanted Eastsiders that are now Wetsiders like myself have just had to give up because of lack of opportunity. A "where to go "catfishing" seattle" search brings up 331,000 search results, granted many not valid.
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by MarkFromSea » Tue May 29, 2012 7:29 pm

It's ok, I abbreviated the heck out of what I read, lower Yak sure,,, It's all good.... the article had a reference to colder water and breeding........ I summarized.....
You misunderstood just about everything I wrote......... my bad........ Have a great day!
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by SculpinKing » Wed May 30, 2012 12:46 pm

Just to follow up on why they chose these lakes, you'd have to ask the WDFW to be sure, but I believe they chose mostly lakes that don't connect to any other bodies of water. I believe I read somewhere that they can't spawn in temperatures as low as these lakes maintain all year. If they stocked them in bodies of water that had significant inlets or outlets it might allow them to spread to bodies of water warm enough for them to spawn in. I personally don't think this would be all that bad, but given the situations we're seeing with Walleye and Pike on the eastside I can see them being very hesitant to let another "invasive" species get anywhere near a body of water with Salmon.

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Post by TroutSnipr » Wed May 30, 2012 1:22 pm

I might have to look into this further since there are for instance plenty of catfish in the Yakima river, and even in august the water temp is barely hitting 70 degrees. I might have to look for water temp data from USGS or USACE to see if they have any temp data for the catfish plant lakes. I get the 'invasive species' argument as well though the only live bait I've personally ever got a cat to hit was worms or crickets, so salmonid fry don't seem a likely food source. Maybe we should ask Stacie Kelsey from the WDFW?
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by MarkFromSea » Wed May 30, 2012 4:54 pm

Here's the SEPA for last summer for the cats planted in the state. Not much in here, maybe a clue as to where to go next. Note: the 50,000 they refer to is the whole state, E and W. SEPA is only required for new lakes added to the cat plants, in this case, I-82 ponds were added to list of "approved" lakes that received cat plants in years past.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/sepa/2011/11045dns.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 25,000 Channel Catfish Planted in Western Washington Lak

Post by TroutSnipr » Wed May 30, 2012 11:57 pm

I-82 Ponds 1 & 2 have traditionally been closed waters for years(since at least the early 90's til at the last time I checked in 2010). Pond 1 was totally killed off then became a Walleye research pond and I have never seen a reason as to why Pond #2 was closed. It appears finally that all 7 of the I-82 ponds are now open to fishing per http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/washington/611/ Makes me sad that I don't live nearby them anymore as this was where my Grandpa taught me how to fish when I was just a little fella years ago. Here is the latest complete fish census report I could finf for the I-82 system as of 2004 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... Rg&cad=rja
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