Sickening salmon snagging video

[Mong_fisherman]

This video is sickening. I could only watch up to the part where he literally beat the fish to a bloody pulp. Here's the future upbringing up a psychopath. Anyway, I seriously hope someone called this kid the "supervisor" into the Poaching Hotline. As the supervisor knowingly handed him the net to land the fish, it's apparent they were in this together. As far as being racism, Native or not, we can all let the game warden decide on that...our only responsibility is to phone it in and get it reported.

[fishinChristian]

sigh...

[BassDood]

Finally made myself watch it. Interesting. My take on it is if he is legal...as in a tribal method that is accepted
...ok. I don't know particulars in that respect. If kept and sold...ok...making a living I guess? It isn't fishing.
Last week while fishing the Skok, not sure how many dead fish my son and I saw with their bellies slit open for the eggs on the bank and floating/bouncing down river and males just plain dead. That, irritates me more. Plain waste

[Norm]

They can do whatever they want with their half of the fish including killing them all and leaving them on the river banks. You do not have to like it but you do have to live with it, its never going to change

[fear_no_fish]

Without peeing in any ones Cheerios let me try and make a point. Spreading the attitude that what bolt said is struck in stone and never going to change is completely wrong! Period. Anything can be changed, it might not be easy but you guys are only making it worse by scaring people away from the chance to change it. Typing a bunch of posts like this doesn't count as fighting either. The only way we will ever change all this BS is if everyone stops bickering online like little girls and starts working together, TOWARD the solution.

[fishinChristian]

reset

[fishinChristian]

going back to sigh...

[MarkFromSea]

I didn't see any native connection in the video.... Maybe I missed something... but..really, it doesn't matter. I think we all can agree on this:

The snagger must hit like a little girl since it took him a dozen swings of a bonking bat to kill this fish.... What a pathetic loser!

I also agree with Mong.

This video is sickening. I could only watch up to the part where he literally beat the fish to a bloody pulp. Here's the future upbringing up a psychopath. Anyway, I seriously hope someone called this kid the "supervisor" into the Poaching Hotline. As the supervisor knowingly handed him the net to land the fish, it's apparent they were in this together. As far as being racism, Native or not, we can all let the game warden decide on that...our only responsibility is to phone it in and get it reported.

[MarkFromSea]

Fair enough, good luck this weekend racfish!
I don't have a problem with Native Americans having rights to these resources, after all, it wasn't Native American culture and practices that royally messed them up in the first place. Especially support it when it's to uphold traditions, culture and feeding families. The Boldt decision is still crap though, 50% is a nice figure to pull out of one's rear end as Judge Boldt did, but it isn't going to change anytime soon to your point. Take care.

Judge bolt didnt pull that 50% fig I re out his @! $. It wss written in treaties in 1855. I do think it should be repealed or re negotiated.

On just the number, 50%, I disagree... Boldt interpreted some words that read something to the effect "share equally" as 50%.... So yeah, Boldt pulled that number out of his "Any Stupid Sucker" by his interpretation of what WAS written... It's been soo long since I read the original.... But 50% for native and 50% for non native was not written in 1855. If the average guy or gal reads the treaty, the interpretation would generally be, equal portion, man to man.... or in this day in age it should be "everyone regardless of race follows the same rules". Equal opportunity to each man or woman!

I don't recall the Supreme Court involvement.... if any... only way to over turn something like that... lots of money.... but... I kind of think that ship has sailed.... We all know the natives got the shaft when non natives moved in... I know, to the victor goes the spoils..... but they have the sympathy vote and that beats a royal flush.

[spoonman]

.The right of taking fish at usual and accustomed grounds and stations is further secured to said Indians in common with all citizens of the Territory, and of erecting temporary houses for the purpose of curing, together with the privilege of hunting and gathering roots and berries on open and unclaimed lands. Provided, however, That they shall not take shell-fish from any beds staked or cultivated by citizens.
wow, I never actually read it before. If this is accurate then I guess old judge Boldt did pull that 50% number out his pooper.

[natetreat]

They can do whatever they want with their half of the fish including killing them all and leaving them on the river banks. You do not have to like it but you do have to live with it, its never going to change

This is not true. Read the link to the Skokomish regulations, it specifically says they're not supposed to leave carcasses on the bank.

Without peeing in any ones Cheerios let me try and make a point. Spreading the attitude that what bolt said is struck in stone and never going to change is completely wrong! Period. Anything can be changed, it might not be easy but you guys are only making it worse by scaring people away from the chance to change it. Typing a bunch of posts like this doesn't count as fighting either. The only way we will ever change all this BS is if everyone stops bickering online like little girls and starts working together, TOWARD the solution.

True, court decisions are overturned all the time. Personally, I'd rather see the netting of wild steelhead end before we start attacking tribal snagging, but that's another fight that's already tough. But the fact is, even tribal members are not allowed to use trebles, and if we see anyone using trebles to snag like that, first call should be to enforcement. Let them harvest the fish, they get their kings, and they're mostly hatchery fish, so it's not the end of the world. The amount of snagged fish compared to the fish that are gill netted is negligible, so it's small potatoes really. I want to see the nets come out of the hoh and queets and quileute during native steelhead season. It's clearly against regulations, the snagging is pretty sad. Especially for chum. Like I said, they'd bite way more readily if the kid actually learned to fish! I've been catching fish like crazy.

[natetreat]

The only way we will ever change all this BS is if everyone stops bickering online like little girls and starts working together, TOWARD the solution.

First tread lightly, we don't want to loose valued posters such as yourself. This type of post could get you banned, read the forum rules about name calling and being negative. I also respectfully disagree. While bickering online will not help working together is not required to enact change. If you really want change I would suggest raising money and bribing your local government officials. This seems to be the single most effective and used method of change I see in the world today.

This past summer I guided a handful of wealthy politicians and celebrities on various rivers around the world, so if you would like I can arrange meetings or suggest terms, unfortunately I don't have an expanse of fiat currency at my disposal to participate directly.

Hey duncan, can you send me a link to your guide website? You talk the talk. I want to see you're boat, I bet it has a sick boot wrap.

[Mike Carey]

Here we go again...

Redirecting conversation...

Chico Creek - dozens of chum carcasses at the launch, eggs, removed. There was a young lady in a boat removing eggs. I asked her how much, as I was kinda considering if the price was right. "$10.50 a pound" she replied.

Ouch, I'll catch my own. It's cheaper in the store to buy them already cured up.

[Steelheadin360]

What I dont get is how people can stand there and not say anything?! I would have been livid at a sight like that. Native or not, get the hell off the river you punk.

[gonnahookit]

Here we go again...

Redirecting conversation...

Chico Creek - dozens of chum carcasses at the launch, eggs, removed. There was a young lady in a boat removing eggs. I asked her how much, as I was kinda considering if the price was right. "$10.50 a pound" she replied.

Ouch, I'll catch my own. It's cheaper in the store to buy them already cured up.

Apparently, gone are the days of getting a bucket of eggs for cheap. They've all got it figured out that they can take them to Seattle and sell them for market price before they get shipped to Asia. Big market, big money.

I've talked to at LEAST a dozen different tribal netters on a few rivers, trying to score some eggs since I started fishing rivers last year, and they all said the same thing. Price per pound is what they would charge, according to what they would get taking them to Seattle.

[racfish]

Fair enough, good luck this weekend racfish!
I don't have a problem with Native Americans having rights to these resources, after all, it wasn't Native American culture and practices that royally messed them up in the first place. Especially support it when it's to uphold traditions, culture and feeding families. The Boldt decision is still crap though, 50% is a nice figure to pull out of one's rear end as Judge Boldt did, but it isn't going to change anytime soon to your point. Take care.

Judge bolt didnt pull that 50% fig I re out his @! $. It wss written in treaties in 1855. I do think it should be repealed or re negotiated.

If you read the treaty. It states that fishing should be done as their ancestors have fished. Their ancestors didnt use gill nets. They used netted pens. They took what they needed and released the rest. When they needed more they open up the pens again trapping more fish NOT ripping their gills.Or they had hand held nets obove the fast water and would catch fish. Iit was based off who needed to be fed. Not supply Safeway and QFC stores.
I too dont care what they get. It dosent pay to fight it. I feel its reversed discrimination. Because of my skin color I cant reap the bounties.

[sickbayer]

Fair enough, good luck this weekend racfish!
I don't have a problem with Native Americans having rights to these resources, after all, it wasn't Native American culture and practices that royally messed them up in the first place. Especially support it when it's to uphold traditions, culture and feeding families. The Boldt decision is still crap though, 50% is a nice figure to pull out of one's rear end as Judge Boldt did, but it isn't going to change anytime soon to your point. Take care.

Judge bolt didnt pull that 50% fig I re out his @! $. It wss written in treaties in 1855. I do think it should be repealed or re negotiated.

If you read the treaty. It states that fishing should be done as their ancestors have fished. Their ancestors didnt use gill nets. They used netted pens. They took what they needed and released the rest. When they needed more they open up the pens again trapping more fish NOT ripping their gills.Or they had hand held nets obove the fast water and would catch fish. Iit was based off who needed to be fed. Not supply Safeway and QFC stores.
I too dont care what they get. It dosent pay to fight it. I feel its reversed discrimination. Because of my skin color I cant reap the bounties.

Spot on Rac !

[spoonman]

.The right of taking fish at usual and accustomed grounds and stations is further secured to said Indians in common with all citizens of the Territory, and of erecting temporary houses for the purpose of curing, together with the privilege of hunting and gathering roots and berries on open and unclaimed lands. Provided, however, That they shall not take shell-fish from any beds staked or cultivated by citizens.
wow, I never actually read it before. If this is accurate then I guess old judge Boldt did pull that 50% number out his pooper.

This is the actual text in regards to fishing and it doesn't say any thing about how they fish, just where they fish. But yes they are greedy and take more than they need no doubt. Especially nowadays with casinos and everything else, they dont need they income from fish like they used to. With so many politicians in their pocket, I don't see anything getting done to change it. Besides the treaty is with the feds, and we all know they own maria cantwell and patty murray.

[MarkFromSea]

.to said Indians in common with all citizens of the Territory,.

THIS is the point, the rules are supposed to be the same for all of us per the treaty,,,, Boldt really screwed the pooch.... His decision further turned us away from the melting pot that this country was meant to be to a state of division. They just do it wrong in San Francisco.... 9th

[spoonman]

.to said Indians in common with all citizens of the Territory,.

THIS is the point, the rules are supposed to be the same for all of us per the treaty,,,, Boldt really screwed the pooch.... His decision further turned us away from the melting pot that this country was meant to be to a state of division. They just do it wrong in San Francisco.... 9th

Completely agree. I had never read it till today. But they do fish the same as us. There are lots of non native gill netters and seiners in the sound area. But htis 50% is crap. I stand corrected on that and have no problem aditting when im wrong.